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Same-sex marriage. “Openly lesbian” Labour MP Louisa Wall in a civil union, has no marriage plans

April 17, 2013 by SPCS Leave a Comment

Ms Louisa Wall, the “openly lesbian” 41-year old Manurewa Labour MP who is “the architect of the most significant change to New Zealand marriage law”, is reported in the NZ Herald today to have “an admission to make – she has no plans to get married”. She is currently in a civil union which could be ‘upgraded’ to a ‘marriage’ if her bill is passed, but she is not interested in doing so.

Her private members bill – the Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill – was selected from the ballot and introduced to parliament on 26 July 2012 and is expected to be voted into law at its Third Reading in parliament tonight. It amends the Marriage Act 1955 to legalise same-sex ‘marriage’.

In an interview published in Womens Weekly earlier this year, Louisa Wall said she has been in a civil union since 2011 with partner Prue Tamatekapua (Prue Kapua), a mother-of-two and a lawyer specialising in Treaty of Waitangi issues, whom she met in 2007.  They had their civil union ceremony at Te Mahurehure Marae in Point Chevalier, Auckland, where 200 guests helped celebrate their union in 2010.

Louisa told the NZ Herald:

“For Prue and I the most important thing when we wanted to formalise our relationship was to have our parents there. Having a Civil Union satisfied us.”

She added: “That was the only choice we had. If the law does change, and we can marry, then we will be able to have a conversation about that.”

The new bill will mean that couples in a civil union can simply ­fill in a form to change their status to that of a married couple. But Louisa and Prue aren’t going down that route, she told Womens Weekly.

While comfortable with her own personal situation, Louisa believes it’s vitally important for individuals and couples to have options.

Opponents of her bill have every reason to question her motivation and integrity in promoting her bill given that she and her LGBT (lesbian, “gay”, bisexual and transsexual) supporters have been pushing for “gay marriage” based on claims that civil unions are largely “meaningless” for their community and they need “marriage” instead to be truly happy, fulfilled and able to jointly adopt children. If so, why has the “champion” of this bill shown so little interest in getting married even though her lesbian partner has two children?

When did Louisa Wall conclude that she was a lesbian?

She said she had been too distracted by netball at high school – she was New Zealand’s youngest-ever Silver Fern – to question her sexuality, but began to feel she might be “gay” at age 19.

When she was 21, Ms Wall found a partner and came out to her parents.

“I’ve never not been out,” she told Womens Weekly. “I think I realised I was gay in my late teens and from then on I’ve had female partners. “For me, it’s always been a part of who I am, so I’ve never felt a need not to share that.”

[If it’s true that she’s “never not been out” then how come she only discovered she might be a lesbian at the age of 19? The two statements are incompatible]

After she “drifted apart” from her partner of 10 years, she met Prue while working at the Waiatarau Branch of the Maori Women’s Welfare League.

Womens Weekly reported:

“Now, with Prue at her side and achieving recognition as one of Parliament’s youngest MPs, there is only one thing missing in Louisa’s life – a baby. While she would love to be a mother and has tried to conceive in the past, her efforts have been unsuccessful.”

What is far clearer is that Louisa Wall and her supporters have failed to convince the majority of New Zealanders that there is any good reason that the Marriage Act 1955 should be amended to redefine marriage to include same-sex couples. Over half the country oppose her bill. It is  clear that Louisa Wall’s bill has split the country and a lesbian woman who has no interest in marriage herself is prepared to go to extraordinary lengths to undermine an institution that has served the public good well. Not only does the bill make a mockery of the terms “husband” and “wife” and “marriage”, but it is an attack on the natural and normal sexuality that is engaged in by those joined in the traditional marriage bond. New Zealanders are being sold the lie via state legislation that heterosexual sex within marriage is equal or equivalent to the forms of sexual expression engaged in by homosexuals.  

References:

Gay marriage: Wall has no marriage plans. By Isaac Davison

April 17, 2013

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10877993

Labour MP Louisa Wall: Fighting for our rights. By Vicky Tyler

New Zealand’s Women’s Weekly. 28th March 2013

http://www.nzwomansweekly.co.nz/celebrity/labour-mp-louisa-wall-fighting-for-our-rights/

Meet “your” gay and lesbian MPs
By GayNZ.com Daily News staff
28th November 2011

http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publish/33/printer_11118.php

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Filed Under: Homosexuality, Marriage Tagged With: civil union, lesbian, Louisa Wall, Prue Kapua, Prue Tamatekapua, same-sex marriage

Poll: “Does equality require same-sex marriage?” – NZ Herald’s loaded ‘question’

April 16, 2013 by SPCS Leave a Comment

Today the NZ Herald is running a ‘poll’ on the ‘same-sex marriage’ bill based on the loaded question: “Does equality require same-sex marriage?”

See: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10877696

The background article presents the case for the bill (“Yes”) put by Sam Clements, followed by the case against (“No”) by Professor of Law from Otago University, Rex Ahdar.

Sam Clements begins his case (quoted in italics) by stating:

It is logically flawed, and a nonsensical argument to suggest the redefinition of marriage by the state is in effect an attempt “‘to abolish it”. How absolutist and sweeping a statement.

Response from SPCS

Mr Clements has failed to distinguish between the effect of an action by a person or agent and their intention. They are two quite distinct matters. Likewise he fails to appreciate that the effect (consequence) of any action may be intended or unintended. His simplistic comments overlooks these matters. Clement’s accusatory sweeping and simplistic statement is itself logically flawed.

Traditional (conjugal) marriage is universally recognised as an honourable institution and highly beneficial to society. If its universally accepted meaning as involving one man and one woman is degraded, altered, negated, or compromised by tampering with its definition, for whatever reason, this will undoubtedly have a negative social/societal impact, in particular in relation to the welfare of children.

It is not logically flawed to claim that the effect of legalising same-sex ‘marriage’   (SSM) could or will lead to the ‘abolition’ of the true meaning of the term “marriage”. It is quite another matter to assert that the state is deliberately attempting to do this. Many of those opposed to the bill do see it as an attack on religious freedom and the institution of marriage, given that it renders the concept “marriage” meaningless. Why? Because expanding it to include SSM degrades it as SSM is an oxymoron.

Many homosexual activists pushing for the bill have publicly stated that civil unions are “meaningless” even though they campaigned so passionately for them in 2002 to 2004. What utter hypocrisy!  Just nine years ago homoxsexuals were dancing in the streets applauding the passage of the Civil Union Bill into law, now they say it is largely irrelevant after having got on their knees before the select committee to plead with them to accept their claim that civil unions are so meaningfull to their communities.

Sam Clements continues:

This bill seeks to grant same-sex couples the ability to marry, and in so doing bring formal societal recognition to their committed and loving relationships, which are no different to those of heterosexual couples.

Comment from SPCS

The so-called “equity” argument he uses is deficient. Of course all persons have the human right to love (within lawful bounds) whom they will. A woman school teacher can fall in love with her 14 year-old female student and the feeling may be mutual, but that does not entitle her to lawfully have sexual relations with her student, let alone ‘marry’ her. Loving relationships expressed intimately within the marriage bond are fundamentally different to ‘loving’ (commercial) relationships expressed between a man a prostitute even if she happens to have a deep affection and love for him.

Conjugal traditional marriage is not equal to same-sex marriage. The first involves the complementarity of the two sexes – physically, emotionally, psychologically and spiritually which SSM does not. It also has a biological orientation towards procreation which SSM does not. No amount of sexual activity between members of a same-sex couple will ever result in a child. Those in traditional who chose to adopt a child, often when they cannot have their own, can offer that child a mother’s and father’s love. A homosexual couple cannot.

Sam Clements continues:

Some appear fixated with the idea that “sexual union” is only truly possible from a marital perspective when it is between a man and a woman.

In essence, placing the ability to procreate as emblematic proof of this. This is one of the sadder and more naive statements often raised by opponents of the bill.

Response from SPCS

Clements: In a condescending tone Clements describes the bill’s opponents as sad cases who are naive.

For from it. Opponents of the bill actually understand the true nature of traditional marriage and why it must be differentiated from SSM (as noted above), while bill supporters ignore them.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10877696

Sam Clements holds graduate degrees in arts and commerce from the University of Auckland. He is a lifetime inducted member of international honour society Beta Gamma Sigma. samclements9@gmail.com

To view a decisive rebuttal of Clement’s position read Rex Ahdar’s view below Clement’s.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10877696

 

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Filed Under: Homosexuality, Marriage Tagged With: marriage equality, same-sex marriage

Religious freedom & ‘gay marriage’ cannot coexist- by attorney Matt Barber

April 15, 2013 by SPCS Leave a Comment

Therefore pride is their necklace; they clothe themselves with violence. – Psalm 73:6

“Gay pride” necessitates anti-Christian hate. It must. “Gay marriage” and other “sexual orientation”-based laws do violence to freedom and truth. They are the hammer with which the postmodern left intends to bludgeon bloody religious liberty and the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.

According to the unequivocal moral precepts of the Judeo-Christian tradition – explicit throughout both the Old and New Testaments – homosexual behavior is sin. Sin is evil. Homosexual behavior is the central, defining characteristic of so-called “gay marriage.” Therefore, “gay marriage” is evil. Christians are obligated to avoid sin – to “do no evil.”

I know; it’s not popular to speak such simple truths in today’s politically correct world. But I’m not out to win a popularity contest.

Most homosexuals know intuitively, I think, that their lifestyle is unnatural and immoral and that the oxymoronic notion of “same-sex marriage” is a silly farce. Thus, they must force others to affirm both their self-destructive lifestyle and their mock “marriages” under penalty of law. They must physically compel everyone to engage their “emperor’s new clothes” delusion, so they can feel better about bad behavior.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/religious-freedom-gay-marriage-cannot-coexist/#AyFzLwKZEllmz8gF.99

Matt Barber is an attorney concentrating on constitutional law. He serves as vice president of Liberty Counsel Action – http//libertycounselaction.org 

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Filed Under: Homosexuality, Marriage Tagged With: anti-Christian hate, gay marriage, gay pride, religious freedom, same-sex marriage, sexual orientation

Same-sex ‘marriage’: John Key on “gay” ‘marriage’, civil unions and Brad Pitt

April 14, 2013 by SPCS Leave a Comment

Shortly before the New Zealand general election on 8 November 2008, John Key, who was the then deputy leader of the opposition National Party, was asked by GayExpress Magazine whether he would “vote for civil unions if it were presented again today”. His response was “No”. GayExpress notes that he had opposed civil unions at the second reading of the Civil Union bill in 2004, along with 24 other National MPs. When asked by the GayExpress whether he would vote for “gay marriage” if it were presented today (2008), he answered “No”.

Just four and a half years later, Prime Minister John Key, along with the majority of his party, have indicated that they will be voting in support of Louisa Wall’s ‘same-sex marriage’ bill on Wednesday 17 April 2013. (Neither the National Party, nor any other party indicated in their respective election manifestos that they were intending to bring in or push for same-sex  ‘marriage’ should they become the government)

The Rt. Hon. John Key was featured in television reports on the February 2013 Big Gay Out being kissed and hugged by homosexual men and cosying up to “drag queens”. The Stuff report states:

“John Key is usually popular at the largest gay pride event in New Zealand… It was his seventh time at the event…. Key spoke to the crowd and reaffirmed his plans to vote for Labour MP Louisa Wall’s Marriage Amendment Bill, which would see same sex couples afforded the same rights of marriage as heterosexuals.”

It is noteworthy that when Key was asked by GayExpress “who would be go gay for?” … and “after taking a moment to compose himself”  – he responded:

“‘Brad Pit. Now that he’s a bit older, he’s a bit of a looker. I was going to say Tom Cruise but someone of his age shouldn’t look that age.”

Who John Key would want to have “gay” sex with is apparently of great interest to the readers of Gay Express.

Family First NZ is running a Marriage Pledge campaign calling voters not to support any political party at the next election whose leader has supported Louisa Wall’s bill that supports “gay” marriage.

References:

Express 22 Oct – 4 Nov 2008. Face of Election Special – John Key by Hannah JV

http://www.protectmarriage.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/John-Key-Gay-express.pdf

Mixed reception for Key at Big Gay Out by Charles Anderson, 10 February 2013

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8284962/Mixed-reception-for-Key-at-Big-Gay-Out

http://www.mymarriagepledge.org.nz/

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“Natural marriage once based on real sexual difference is to become a bastard child of the state”

April 12, 2013 by SPCS Leave a Comment

We are now experiencing the reverse of what happened in third-century Rome.

The absolute power of the state gave way to the new faith; Christianity and its declaration that the state is answerable to God. It’s been a mixed bag and a bit of a mess from time to time but it’s only in the past few decades that God has been banished from the public square.

The historical and theological irony should be obvious. Same-sex marriage is the consequence and symbol of that banishment because it is in harmony with the new religion. Marriage, an institution shaped by nature and reinforced by history, will become the product of social evolution as soon as same-sex marriage becomes law. Natural marriage once based on real sexual difference is to become a bastard child of the state. So we can make marriage what we like. No longer will it make us.

Marriage which was once a basic institution of civil society will become a contract between any two people for their assumed bliss and benefit. It will have very little to do with the protection of children or social order. Children will be trophies rather than the cement of inter-generational connection.

It is not that natural marriage is essentially a religious phenomenon. Marriage transcends religion and politics but not, it would seem human desire to manipulate to its own short-sighted end. And that’s the problem. That desire which has become a demand makes it necessary for the state to legally redefine marriage. The state cannot resist. Having lost the foundation it discovered in the third century it has become an authority yielding to the demands of fashion and relevance.

Source:

Quoted from:

Bruce Logan: Thatcher, and God, are of another era. Published: April 12, 2013

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10877013

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